Here's a report from another dissatisfied Narconon customer. Best line: "I did heroin for the first time in my life at a Narconon center." Yikes!
-- Dave Touretzky
Jeff X's Narconon Experience
My name is "Jeff X" and I was a student at several Narconon centers in 2003 and 2004. Let me give you a little taste of my experience. I was sent there by my parents for alcohol and drug abuse. The first go around was at a center called Narconon Quebec. It was in a little town outside of Montreal called St. Roch. I was there for approximately 4 months. I went thru and completed the program.
Inside the center there was active drug use. It was not tolerated by staff but continued the duration of my stay. Marijuana, alcohol, and heroin I not only saw consumed but unfortunately consumed myself. I did heroin for the first time in my life at a Narconon center. The majority of the people there were being treated for opiate abuse. I myself was there for cocaine and a alcohol. I left the center and returned home and I received familiar results: I was neck deep in abuse very quickly.
One of the reasons I was sent there was because they told my parents there is a guarantee if you complete the program and relapse you can come back for what they call a re-tread for free. So about 8 months later I was back at Narconon but this time they had expanded the facility and had moved to another building on the top of a mountain; the name of the town is escaping me right now. They taught the "technology" there and people were either bussed to the St. Roch location for the sauna part of the program or could choose to stay at the original center while they did their sauna. Most people chose to stay.
There was only two staff members on site at St. Roch, and one was an ex-student. They encourage you to stay after your treatment is completed for more clean time. Again there was more drug use but this time I chose to abstain from it. I wanted to get it right this time. And it was more open; it was honestly like a free-for-all: we had access to all parts of the building and I actually have video tape of this. One of the students brought his video camera with him and we made tape of the facility and taped everyday life at a Narconon. Well, the funding apparently ran out and they had to shut down the facility on top of the mountain and move everybody back to St. Roch. Then about a month later we had to move out of St. Roch and move to Narconon's Three Rivers facility. At this point I wanted out so I left and came back home.
Narconon Quebec went belly up and the rest of Quebec's students were siphoned through Three Rivers. It was a total disaster and the worst experience of my life. I still talk to several people that were students with me and if you need corroboration please let me know. I don't want money or anything like that. I just believe people should know.
Thank you for your time in this matter,
This thread got me thinking. When Narconon Montreal was opened it was touted as a HUGE win and how wonderful it will be to be able to handle Canada's drug crisis.........I was suprised to read that the Montreal centre has been closed. I went to the Narconon website to search for other centres in Canada and this is what I found........There were three listed, one in Vancouver, one in Trois-Rivieres (Quebec) - both of these had mailing addresses listed. Lastly there was Narconon Montreal - no mailing address, a website and e-mail only.
Strangely enough, when you go to this webpage there is no mention of Narconon or Scientology at all. The site is set up like a referal service that will provide you with a varied list of treatment centres in your area based on your type of addiciton and what type of treatment program you are looking for.
from the site "Drug Rehab Centers Services has access to a database of hundreds of Drug Rehab Centers."
Someone with the basic knowledge of Scn lingo will catch on eventually that there might be a connection - that and the dictionary reference.........but those who don't are going to think that their individual situation is being evaluated and the "best" treatment for them is going to suggested.
From: (Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: Jeff X's Narconon experience (Quebec)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:31:09 GMT
Organization: The Skeptic Tank
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Zinj <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Insults are interesting, nice way of convincing people of your point
>> (sarcasm included for the deductive impaired). Thought COS taught tech for
>> > I'll have to snip some parts to make it obvious enough for wogs.
>> He quit despite the experience he had. Exposure to that system actually
>> made it worse (heroin). That was pretty plain. If scientology increases
>> deductive power you may need a re-tread.
>> "brick in the wall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Please note, after which process Jeff got rid of drugs, if I understood
>> > right. (From: 'Brick')
>It seems inevitable that in the life-cycle of one of our 'True Critic!'
>OSAdroids that it will forget its cover story and jump on the wrong
Scino to Wog Translation: "Though we don't actually work, we'll be glad to continue to swindle you out of every last dime possible until it does. Which it won't. You have to give up first."
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Subject: Narconon Montreal appears to be dead
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
From: (Dave Touretzky)
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 15 Apr 2005 13:18:49 -0400
The recently posted story of Jeff X (http://Stop-Narconon.org/Personal/JeffX) contains the news that Narconon Montreal has folded.
They still have web sites, but you can see something fishy is going on. Here is the "Narconon Quebec" site:
Looks like a live site, right? But click on the "Building and Rooms" button and you find... emptiness!
Meanwhile, this "Narconon Montreal" web site actually points to their Three Rivers facility:
Suzanne Johnson was FSMing for Narconon Quebec back in 2003. See some of her emails here:
LOCATION: We have a NEW BUILDING Located within 1 1/2 hour's drive of Montreal, Quebec in a small community. Building has full amenities, and has a capacity of sixty (60) students.
A picture of the Three Rivers (Trois Rivieres) facility is here:
That page also lists a phone number for Narconon Quebec, but no physical address (not even a city), and no photo.
This is looking mighty weird. Did a Narconon franchise actually go out of business because of rampant drug use among its clients?
Why didn't we read about this in Freedom Magazine???
-- Dave Touretzky
From: (The NMEA Sage)
Subject: Re: Narconon Montreal appears to be dead
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:14:37 GMT
Organization: Church of Crimeatology
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
On 15 Apr 2005 13:18:49 -0400, [email protected] (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
> That page also lists a phone number for Narconon Quebec, but no
> physical address (not even a city), and no photo.
"The Narconon International Science Advisory Board has also sponsored research, outcome studies, and international peer-review conferences on L. Ron Hubbard's sauna detoxification protocol, including conferences in Los Angeles in 1995, Stockholm in 1997, and Oklahoma in 2001."
Nowhere on the Internet is this "research" available. I wrote to NarConon and OFFERED TO PAY THEM $100 if they would send their research data to me and they refused.
"Science is by no means settled on the answers. In the middle of this confusion, L. Ron Hubbard's announcement in the mid-1970s that not just toxic pesticides, but also street drugs and pharmaceuticals store in body tissue and have long-term pernicious effects on physical and mental health was a bold stroke."
It was "bold" because it is known to be a false claim.
"Narconon Science Board members have presented numerous papers on this procedure for publication or at prestigious conferences, including the Royal Swedish Academy's _AMBIO_, the _Journal of Toxicology_ and presentations to the American Public Health Association."
I assume the crime syncicate means The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. No mention of detoxification in their index; no mention of NarConon; no listing of Hubbard. The only web pages that mention _AMBIO_ and Hubbard's detoxification are NarConon web pages. The "studies" that Scientology claims to have "submitted" to _AMBIO_ were done by "The Foundation for Advancements in Science and Education (FASE), a non-profit research group based in Los Angeles," but nowhere on NarConon's web pages does it admit that "FASE" is a Scientology-owned, Scientology-funded, and Scientology-run business! "Dr." Megan Shields is listed as "a co-investigator" of these "studies."
Golly: NarConon is lying to us. I wonder why?
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