Bob Oechsler show covers the subject of UFOs. Interview


[Sunday, August 7, 1988 Issues - Paranormal Conference  with Annapolis, MD 
radio personality, UFO investigator, Bob Oechsler] 

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 26   74126,1321    ANY   5   JOSE B. RIVERA
 31   75376,1620    CVK   5   Dale Wedge
 33   76374,303     PNB   5   Steve G.
 37   76703,266     WBR   5   G-WIZ
 41   74270,3360    BOI   5   Don
 43   70511,17      CRZ   5   Mike
 56   70007,3422    DCI   5   BoB
 65   71056,722     NWL   3   Frank Trzesniowski
 67   71450,3504    NNM   5   DBC
 69   72135,424     PNX   5   Drax
 82   71605,2013    SFM   5   Gerry
 84   74126,3254    ANM   5   EdC
 94   76012,3361    MRT   5   Ted
101   72227,216     LTR   5   ed thomas
129   73336,1172    WER   5   Bob Dagenais

(5, Ted) ok Here we go

(Ted) Our guest tonight is Bob Oechsler. Bob  has a regular Sunday radio 
program on WFBR in Baltimore.  His show covers the subject of UFOs.  In 
addition to Bob's 10,000 hours of radio experience and 2,600 [earlier number 
of 20,000 was in error] hours of TV, Bob is also a consultant to the Navy on 
robotics. Bob has helped with the Polaroid analysis of the Gulf Breeze photos 
in conjunction with Dr. Bruce Maccabbe. 
          Just a reminder to those new to our CO.  We operate under formal 
rules.  If you want to ask a question or make a comment type a "?" or a "!" 
and I will take down your name and put you in queue and let you know when it 
is your turn. 

(5, Ted) Ok. Bob do you have any opening remarks? GA

(5,BoB) Tonight's FOCUS will be on my primary investigation status regarding 
one very important TRUFO case and an extremely shocking series of revelations 
relating to an investigation of the Annapolis Bay Bridge Sightings Case. We'll 
explore the reasons as to why I've assigned the term TRUFO to the Northwest 
Florida MUFON Case #15 better known as the Gulf Breeze CEIII case. My overall 
research and somewhat activist reporting of the events I've been involved with 
encompass the following areas Congressional Liaison PSE - Voice Stress 
Analysis of witnesses, Photographic Equipment Analysis, Video Tape Research 
Analysis, Meteorological Data Analysis, Intrinsic Intangible Data Analysis. 
The latter involves some rather intriguing ON-BOARD research and analysis 
theories. 

(5,Ted) Ok. Bob you and I have spoken on the phone several times so...
        I'll now open the floor to ? ga

(5,Dale Wedge) ?

(5,DBC) ?

(5,DON) ??

(Ted) Ok Dale start it off ga

(5,Dale Wedge) I talked to Bob on Saturday, and was QUITE impressed by his 
data. Bob, could you go into detail on the above listed analysis on the 
photos, video tape, and voice stress tests.ga 

(5,BoB) First let's get the video tape analysis out of the way . For example, 
a 10 second section of the 1:38 video consists of 600 hard copy prints. We are 
looking at the following data. Altitude Measurements against fixed objects. 
Flight Path Measurements against Fixed objects. Flight Craft Rotational 
Characteristics. Light Emission Analysis - Frequency / Dome -Power Source. 
Craft Ring Aberrations.  Craft Attitude Measurements. Craft Air Speed / 
Velocity Measurements. Craft Mass Direction Reversal Analysis ... 

(Ted) Bob Got dumped ga

(Ted) Welcome back bob ga

(5,Phil Klass) Told him I would get him

(5,BoB) Sorry about that.  As an experienced technician I've built many remote 
controlled devices in the past ten years. As a prototype designer I'm well 
versed in exotic techniques used to operate various sizes of apparatus from 
very small to very large using sometimes inexpensive semi-automated frequency 
controlled equipment.  I cannot duplicate the specifications detailed in this 
case, most notably the absence of audible sound that we are giving an 
exhaustive series of tests on the videotape audio track.   The model 
hypothesis also suffers another major problem. How do you create a microwave 
generator that can make a perfect circle 12 feet in diameter that cooks the 
grass and ground down to the roots at least 16 inches down, bleaching all of 
the chlorophyll out of the grass! ENOUGH? GA 

(Ted) Ok. Great. DBC is next ga

(5,DBC) Bob, I understand that NASA is letting you use. Can you tell us how 
much interest there is in the upper echelons of NASA on the GB case?ga 

(5,BoB) Well, that's not totally true! NASA GSFC TV is letting us and helping 
us with the videotape.  They've been invaluable!  Neat trick Huh? The photos 
are being computer enhanced at a facility in MASS. The NASA facility is manned 
by Bendix and a little clever negotiating got us in there. We have discovered 
something in the photo analysis that will put this case over the top. Photo #9 
has window panels on the craft that are blacker on the gray scale than the 
background in the photo, thus you cannot have a dbl exposure Leaving only the 
model hypothesis that we already discussed. GA 

(Ted) Bob one quick one, what does GPSF stand for? ga

(5,BoB) GSFC stands for Goddard Space Flight Center. ga

(Ted) Ok. Don yer up! ga

(5,Don) BoB, two quick questions first, during your investigations what 
interest, either of a covert nature, or overt have the Military, or civilian 
authorities (Fed) shown if any and perhaps I missed it, but what did the 
extensive list of tests show you that you mentioned other than bleaching the 
ground?ga 

(5,BoB) Wow that's an extensive ? that I'll try to cover in short first, there 
was a visit paid to Ed by alleged OSI officers in civilian clothes bearing 
arms demanding under a material seizure warrant all of Ed's original photos. 
They left empty handed as Duane Cook the Editor of the Sentinel had them.  The 
military on the other hand got a wealth of info from this case using three 
ships decked out with radar gear and several mobile army hot bench vehicles 
which are all terrain land vehicles with 150 foot telescoping radar globes. We 
could not convince enough of our technicians that the case was valid nor could 
be muster the cash to send in magnetometer etc., recording equipment and we 
were there watching for over six months, what a waste! As to the list of video 
tape analysis, as I stated in my conference report at Lincoln, We determined 
that the craft must be real and not a model because of the peculiar flight 
characteristics the frequency aberrations regarding two independent light 
sources on the craft an apparent lopped ring aberration A soundless craft 
there was much sound on the video tape to work with and nothing that we cold 
eliminate o attah to the craft itself. We did determine the direction of 
rotation etc and much more. 

(Ted) Ok. Jose you are up ga

(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) I noticed on the map I am looking at that Gulf Breeze is 
located next to Elgin Airforce Base, And next to The Navy Base at Pensacola. 
Is this a coincidence? or did the reports of sightings reach there also? ga 

(5,BoB) I don't know if it's a coincidence or not , but there were sighting 
reports in this case that stretched into Alabama. The military has refused to 
comment on the case but as I mentioned there was great interest. Also see my 
report in the LIB 10, letter to the President et al. 

(Ted) Drax is next ga 

(5,Drax) Trying to sift thru a million questions. First, I was given to 
understand that nothing of note had been found in the soil samples...is that 
incorrect?....second, in...your open letter to Gulf Breeze, you mention a 
second videotape of a hovering UFO has this been confirmed? GA 

(5,BoB) The final analysis of the soil sample indicated that the ground inside 
the ring was blasted with microwave radiation. The second video tape has been 
kept under wraps as far as I know and no I have not seen it, check with Don 
Ware ga 

(Ted) Ok Drax follow up? ga 

(5,Drax) I just spoke with Walt Andrus, who knows nothing about a second 
videotape. If I spoke to Don Ware, would he tell me that it exists? 

(5,BoB) I am not sure about Don, but Duane Cook will tell you that is of 
course if they are not talking about his video that he shot of Ed while in 
search of another photo in Duane's presence ga 

(Ted) Any more follow Drax? ga 

(5,Drax) Bob, have you ever gotten a satisfactory answer as to why Mr. Ed 
continued to use a Polaroid when video was available? GA 

(5,BoB) Sure I've spent over 100 hours with Ed. The video tape is a real pain 
in the XXX you have load batteries, tape and go thru a lot of hassle it's a 
real cheapy 8 mm. The Polaroid is a staple for him, he has used it for 14 
years in his work, the 108 that is He's a builder and needs to cover his AAA 
using sub contractors etc. By the way he was very co-operative in all aspects 
of the investigation he was just as curious as we were. In fact he took a 
photo of the UFO within one day of getting the new Sun 600 camera. My research 
with Polaroid indicated that it would have been impossible as it gets to hoax 
a photo with that camera! ga 

(Ted) Ok the queue is Don, Steve, Dale and DBC GA DON 

(5,Don) BoB, this case, more than any in a while has generated much 
controversy. The ranks of MUFON have divided, CUFOS'S first said it was a 
hoax, then some recanted, Mr. Ed allegedly has a reputation of a jokester so I 
guess the bottom line is with your credentials, do you think that this is the 
real thing?  ga 

(5,BoB) All excellent points Don. In my opinion, we need an alert team 
consisting of specialists from both organizations that can respond quickly to 
this type of case. 

(Ted) Ok Don a quick! follow ga 

(5,Don) Ok BoB, so what do you feel about this one?  ga 

(5,BoB) Sorry got knocked off again! 

(5,Don) Ok, Bob, so what is your reaction, is this the one? ga 

(5,BoB) Don't know how much of the last response you got. My conclusion is 
that the case is valid. We have set new precedence. The Aliens have apparently 
initiated their own Glasnost Policy! ga 

(Ted) Ok Steve thanks for being patient ga 

(5,Steve G.) BoB, in hopes that your objectivity is more apparent than Walt 
Andrus's. I'd like to clarify one or two things.  First, I am not satisfied 
with the answer about the VidCam, as I own one and find it easy as heck to 
use, but what was the illumination that we see in most if not all of the 
Polaroids and Video Tapes? 

(5,BoB) First about Walt. In all fairness, I think he has suffered from stage 
fright with this case.  It was apparent to me at the Lin[coln] Conf that his 
awareness of detail was quite lacking. I think Ed prefers the Polaroid because 
of his familiarity Technically speaking the video camera is the pits to work 
with you are constantly looking through horizontal jail bars I'm not sure what 
you mean about "illlum" unless you are referring to the flash bulbs used in 
most of the pics and the video is real interesting because it's really two 
video shots in one the first 40 secs involves the UFO well lit with what I 
call skirt lights and the second one is sans the skirt lights! ga 

(Ted) Ok A quick follow and answer Steve as we have Dale, DBC, and Drax yet. 
ga 

(5,Steve G.) What I mean is that in the video tape, the foreground is 
illuminated and if I saw the ship hovering over the road with aliens getting 
out, I would have snapped at least one of them! ga (that's all!) 

(5,BoB) The foreground illumination in the video tape is the porch light near 
the bedroom. As far as sticking around to take photos of the alien if you knew 
what Ed knew and I learned I doubt you would stay either !!!! ga 

(5,Dale Wedge) OK..... 

(5,Steve G.) Chao [?] all and thanks for the info, Bob! 

(5,Dale Wedge) I get the feeling that a book is going to come out of this.  
This is based on the copyright in the MUFON journal...etc...Is there one in the 
works?  Secondly, should Walt Andrus of fired Bob Boyd for his being against 
the case and feeding info to CUFOs?   And lastly, what did you mean by the 
last sentence you said about Ed not sticking around to take photos or video, I 
don't remember exactly what was said.ga 

(5,BoB) First , yes there is a book ... 

(5,Dale Wedge) Did he get dumped? 

(5,Mike) yes 

(Ted)  Yeah Walt got him! ga 

(5,Drax) Musta been EMP. 

(5,Dale Wedge) Lets not start on EMP. hahaha 

(Ted) Welcome back Bob ga 

(5,BoB) Name of Book UFOs Proof Positive Will it be published ??? That is up 
to ED and wife. What was the rest of the ? ga 

(5,Dale Wedge) Will the book be written by them with Andrus sorry, had to 
sneak that in the second one was do you think Bob Boyd should have been fired 
by Andrus... and third...No Walt has no input! ga 

(5,Dale Wedge) what did you mean by "If you knew what I knew" when you 
mentioned why he (ED) DID NOT GET PICTURES OF ALIENS.GA 

(Ted) DBC is up ! ga DBC [Editors note: Dale was speaking out of turn - Dale's 
question is answered later] 

(5,DBC) ok... 

(5,Dale Wedge) He didn't answer my questions from the first time"! 

(5,DBC) Bob, when I spoke to you on the phone, you said you may be able to 
give us a perspective of Ed that we were not aware of. Can you still do this. 
Also can you give us and update on the regression sessions. ga 

(5,BoB) I don't feel qualified to comment on the Boyd firing, however I can 
give you an insight into the lack of etiquette displayed in this case all the 
way around Boyd was wrong to comment publicly after spending just 15 mins with 
Ed and used MUFON case investigation research forms as a conclusive analysis. 
The comment about not waiting for the aliens to take a pic was one of terror!  
Experience with the Blue Beam on NOV 11 and on the night that the Bio Syn Job 
Being arrived at the bedroom door was enough to set anyone back a few paces. 
Ed is not a joker as was alleged, it's a long story but the short of it is the 
source was very misleading, he is a juvenile and actually a delinquent one at 
that and yes we have more than sufficient proof. An insight on Ed, he was 
first abducted at 11 years old by this same grp [group] again at age 17, 25, 
33, and now at 41. The work from the regression has been very interesting. He 
was taught how to regress himself big mistake. He relived the May 1 encounter 
as real I spoke with him for two and a half hours following the second 
regression and got a lot of info that did not come out in the regression. It 
seems that he remembers more after the regression than during  probably due to 
the trauma he endures while regressing. The info about his ON-Board encounter 
is exhilarating if you weren't there I suppose. Many interesting things were 
learned for example the light inside the craft is so bright that it's like 
holding a 4 foot fluorescent lite tube in front of your eyes. The source of 
the light is apparently the atmosphere in the craft itself. The wall at the 
curve of the craft vibrates or hums it was a pie shaped room, the first one he 
was in we figured he was on the second floor. The wall opened up on the left 
side and the Speaker came in with 3 syn job beings Ed immediately felt like 
attacking the speaker instantly the 3 robots closed in around the speaker 
their wands (called Mono Rod Neuro Controls) lit up and glowed as if they 
sensed that he was going to attack. There is much more to this encounter, 
should I go on ? ga 

(Ted) I think that in the interest of getting to others we had better move on, 
it is getting late Jim, er DRAX is up ga 

(5,Drax) Thanks, Ted.... 

(5,Drax) OK...Bob, we keep hearing how there are "over a hundred" witnesses to 
these events there are in your words, "five photographers, only one of which" 
has not identified himself to MUFON. Where are these people? Why do we keep 
hearing only from Mr. Ed and Duane Cook, with a couple of cameo appearances by 
Believer Bill and the publisher's in-laws? And,"mono rod neuro controls"? Why 
would they be called anything recognizable in our language? GA 

(5,BoB) With telepathic comm we interpret things as closely to our language as 
possible The wand will paralyze you. Ed found accidentally that you can break 
the neural lock just slip a portion of your tongue between your teeth and bite 
down real hard. The pain center apparently knocks out the control. There are 
listed in the case file 135 witnesses I'm looking for my list of 
photographers. ED, Believer Bill who has spoken twice with investigators 
Nancy, I forget the last name who took seven photos Don has those, there is 
another person who is a student in Birmingham who photos while in GB on 
vacation and left the undeveloped film with either Duane or Don, and the last 
is the lady who took the June 86 photos. She has also had contact and says she 
through out the negs. GB is a small town, it is not surprising that Duane's 
father-in-law and mother sorry that's step father are related ... Charlie and 
Dory Sommerby are in my opinion very credible witnesses. I've talked with both 
they are old folks trying to stay out of the way. The only connection between 
Ed and Duane before all of this occurred was that they were both on a town 
committee. ga 

(Ted)  Ok. Gerry next ga 

(5,Gerry) Since time is running along, Bob, could you tell us now about the 
Chesapeake Bay sightings?  ga 

(5,BoB) I was hoping we would get to this !!! ... 

(5,EdC) Me too! 

(5,BoB) So much is going on here that it will be difficult to cover much of 
it. First the Bay is in a magnetic variant according to the geodetic survey. 
The Pax River NAS has a very powerful EMP generator that we believe has been 
responsible for the following:  Many UFO sightings, multiple witness, The 
closing of the Calvert Cliffs Nuc Plant, The closing of a critical bridge onto 
Solomon's Island, The killing of 1 million fish, The downing of a Cessna 182 
with two pass, The closing of Mill Creek , location of EMPRESS I barge. And a 
report that the Pax River NAS is actually an elec comm fac for monitoring and 
communicating with aliens. There is more, where do you want to start ? GA 

(5,Gerry) follow (5,Gerry) Can you tell us how we can learn more about this 
story?  ga 

(5,Bernie) Has there been any actual contacts with aliens? 

(5,BoB) My research staff is working feverishly to complete our analysis of 
the situation for a meeting with Cong Tom McMillen. I will be reporting in 
print to the major media about these events in the near future. Contacts with 
aliens is thought to exist, but is not confirmed to date.  We may even have as 
many as five direct alien encounters with residents. I guess I should be 
writing a book about this but with all of the research going on I can't find 
the time. I'd also like to write about the internal investigation process and 
the problems encountered by a part-time team faced with the task of 
investigating an overwhelming case . GA 

(Ted) Ok Mike next ga 

(5,Mike) Bob, does your Linc Conf report include all the abduction... 

(5,Bernie) How can I become involved in these investigations? 

(5,Mike) data mentioned here? 

(5,BoB) Mike, which case? 

(5,Mike) Ed ga 

(5,BoB) Not all of the data is available in my conf rep. The GB case involves 
nine missing time elements I mention but four in my report some of these are 
quite traumatic and we are working with Senate Liaison for assistance. GA 

(Ted)  Ok JOSE next ga 

(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) BOB, I get the impression sometimes that the 
military/government is indeed in contact with these aliens. But if they were, 
why do they continue to chase them, use Radar cars, etc..  Is is possible that 
they are in the dark as much as we are about UFOs the government. ga 

(5,BoB) I can't read part of your Q ...but, I don't see any evidence that the 
Gov't is chasing them in fact quite the opposite is evident in GB Gov't 
aircraft were seen following and monitoring the UFO craft without apparent 
interference perhaps they're gun-shy. I know for a fact that they Gov't is not 
in the dark. I suggest that you read Clear Intent and Above Top Secret. 

(Ted) Ok Don is up ga 

(5,Don) BoB, I assume that you are aware of the "paper" that John Lear 
released in Dec 87 on Paranet Alpha and that he alleges that the govt has been 
in "cahoots" for over 20 years with these entities. Now I remember back in 66 
or 67 when Cong Jerry Ford headed an inquiry into these matters the Condon 
report came out, and the govt led us to believe or tried to  that they were 
out of the UFO business. Now do you really believe that McMillen or any other 
Cong or Senator can pierce this blank wall.. 

(5, Phil Klass) It's CONDOM report! 

(5,Don) when for over 40 years the govt has hushed this up, and at times taken 
extraordinary steps to keep it hushed?  ga 

(5,BoB) First let me say that PK [Phil Klass] is confirmed to be a patriot of 
the highest order (listening PK?). He is merely following orders like a noble 
patriot ... 

(5,Phil Klass) yep 

(5,BoB) John Lear confirmed what PK told me that he was a close friend of the 
Lear family and he confided in the Lear family. Such activity Lear's report is 
wholly accurate according to several sources that I've contacted and our own 
research has lead me to believe that he is correct on many many counts.  He is 
now working with us on Nevada related EM studies. The CONDON REPORT is very 
accurate, all you have to do is skip the conclusion which belies the body of 
the report. As far as McMillen is concerned he may have a unique wedge in that 
he is on the Science and Tech Comm. If he is smart enough to use the EMP Test 
schedule denial route, that is to say that the Gov't is reluctant to pub the 
schedule, if he is successful, he may break open the shell and then watch out 
for the nut to fall. 

(Ted)  ok. Dale next ga 

(5,Dale) We have been hearing a lot about EMP.  Everyone should know that EMP 
can only be caused by a nuclear blast, usually at high level to knock out 
electronics.  I fail to see how EMP got inter-twined in this conversation 
about Mr. Ed.  Is there something your not telling us in regards to the gov't.  
Or is it the Gov't that is behind what is going on? 

(5,BoB) We moved on to the Annapolis Bay Bridge Case. Ever since the big blast 
in Japan both the US and USSR have been doing research on EMP. That's wrong, 
the Soviets according to a Pentagon release through the Wash Post in 
conjunction with a lawsuit filed by FET against the Pent concerned about the 
environmental impact of EMP at generators located in MD, VA, AL, NM, CA.  The 
EMPRESS II barge can generate 7 million volts which according Dr. Maccabee is 
peanuts compared to a lightning bolt and in his opinion would be of little 
interest to UFOs ... 

(5,Dale) True. and also EMP 

(5,BoB) which is how we got interested in this issue. You see with all of the 
UFO activity the past year here in the Annapolis area, and no apparent 
abduction activity , we went looking for a reason that UFOs might be 
interested in the area. WE FOUND EMP TO BE THE BEST KEPT GOVT SECRET HERE!!! 

(Ted)  ok Drax next ga 

(5,Drax) Bob, I think you should clarify a statement you made earlier which 
implied that Phil Klass has admitted to John Lear that he (Klass) is working 
as an agent of the government. I've talked to John at length, and while he 
BELIEVES Klass is a govt. agent, as do many people, he has so far never told 
me that Klass told him that. GA 

(5,BoB) Let me put it this way, in a private conversation with PK, he told me 
that John probably suffered brain damage and lead me to believe that John was 
a paraplegic or something like that he also said that Bill Moore is probably a 
member of MJ-12 which seems rather credulous in light of his public opinion 
that MJ-12 is a hoax. And finally John did in fact say that Phil more or less 
confessed that he was ...providing a Gov't service for which John did not 
believe he was paid for and that's all I know about the subject. GA 

(Ted) Ok Drax follow? ga 

(5,Drax) As I'm sure you know, Klass has a rather inscrutable sense of humor, 
I'm sure he was employing it in his statement about Moore being a member of 
MJ-12. As to Klass being an agent, was it the story John often tells about 
Klass going fishing with a CIA agent regularly or something? GA 

(5,BoB) NO, this was no story and let's not waste any more time on PK who is 
not worth our conversation time since he has not had even a prosaic 
contribution to add to ufology! GA 

(5,Drax) Fair enough. 

(Ted) Ed C. next ga 

(5,EdC) I would like to ask how many of the COers have had sightings? Perhaps 
we could take a poll before we sign off???  ga 

(Ted)  Ok a quick poll. If you have had a sighting type "S!" ga 

(5,BoB) s 

(5,EdC) s 

(5,Don) s 

(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) s 

(5,Gerry) green fireball 

(Ted) Not Bad!  DBC is next ga 

(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) also green fireball, moving across NYC sky 

(5,DBC) ok... 

(5,BoB) 5 objects photographed w/35 mm two cams 

(5,DBC) Bob, can you elaborate a little on the alleged facility... 

(5,Gerry) Mine was across San Francisco! 

(5,DBC) that's involved in alien contact. And could you also mention something 
about your conversation with Bobby Inman? ga 

(5,BoB) The facility of which there are several to mention here is a Patuxent 
River, Maryland commonly called Pax River NAS. They have an elaborate EMP 
generator there that was built at Quantico in VA and moved by barge up the 
Ches. Bay.  It is permanently mounted at the base there and is no doubt 
responsible for the cracks in the concrete piers on the bridge that connects 
the island to St. Mary's.  There is also the EMPRESS I barge that moves all 
over the bay and docked at the ECAC facility ECAC stands for Electromagnetic 
Continuity Analysis Center which is part of the David Taylor Research Center 
Standby one back. There are many other Top Secret facilities here near the 
Naval Academy including the Westinghouse Facility now closed to all w/o 
clearance. My mtg w/ Adm Innman was a chance encounter where I asked him in 
total privacy and security if he would be so kind as to inform me as to how I 
could get closer to MJ-12. His response he studied by business card which 
dealt with robotics and nothing about UFOs placed my card into the inside 
breast pocket of his jacket looked me square in the eyes gave a partial nod 
and a half smile and said "OK", we shook hands and off he went NO further 
response ... GA 

(5,DBC) How long ago was,that meeting, Bob. And was it understood that he 
would send you something? GA 

(5,BoB) Sorry about the delay, in the immortal words of Timothy Good -- Had to 
P ... The meeting took place on Friday the 13th ... 

(5,Don)  first mistake!! 

(5,BoB) the month was april the place was the U of MD ground breaking for the 
new Science and Tech Ctr in Bowie, MD he was the keynote speaker ahead of the 
gov who was p'd.ga 

(Ted) Ok Don is next ga 

(5,BoB) more 

(5,Don) Bob, allow me to regress for one  moment.. Earlier, when we spoke 
about McMillen, you suggested that he had a better chance to get to the root 
of the because  of his cong. committee. If Lear is even half right about what 
is happening it would appear that McMillen has a long way to go because we 
have even had an ex President  that admitted to a sighting (Carter) in 1977, 
and he promised to release what the gov't had on UFO's, and end the secrecy. 
However, like many other promises, this never happened.  I maintain that 
elements in the govt. have too much invested to ever allow the "truth" as they 
know it to become knowledge. Do you believe that this will ever be resolved, 
and if so will we ever get to truth out to the people, and do you really 
believe that the "big media" will treat it in a responsible manner? 

(Ted)  Wow! Ga Bob 

(5,EdC) Online Regression...  Is this your abduction story, Don? 

(5,BoB) Well ... 

(5,Don) SOMEONE HAD TO ASK-HA 

(5,BoB) If in fact the Gov't is coming out of closet this fall as has been 
alleged, then I would say that Ronnie has forshadowed this 4 times in the past 
two years. As for McMillen I'm trying to shove him around to the left flank by 
breaking into the EMP issue as it relates to the well being of his 
constituents. If he breaks open the EMP issue in congress, my guess is that 
the nut will fall out of the shell and that will open up the UFO issue. You'll 
note that in my letter to the President I did not use the term UFO or 
abduction the purpose was to avoid the obvious proj blue book response and the 
round file what happened was a serious Gov't interest in my claims that there 
existed human rights violations and FAA airspace rules violations that were 
going unchecked and needed gov't attention! As for the media. I hate to 
prognosticate, but they may take it lightly and joke at first but eventually 
they will have to take it seriously especially when they find out the whole 
truth .GA 

(Ted) Ok Follow Don ga 

(5,Don) BoB, now the biggie! For 6 months I have been working on a paper that 
addresses the various aspects of ufology where there have been apparent 
hostile acts committed by the craft. What do you believe their intentions are 
do you believe that there are reasons to believe, like Lear that "These little 
fellers are up to no good!")  ga 

(5,BoB) That's a real tuffy because no one can really answer that with any 
degree of credibility in my opinion. However, I'll give you my gut reaction to 
all of this. First there is evidence that we are being visited by at least 
four different groups of alien cultures. As within our own society, we have 
our extremists so do the aliens in my opinion it's probably no bed of roses 
for them either but one theory to examine is the one that they are as much in 
the dark about our culture as we are about theirs, and if we were to discover 
a society on this planet that was so primitive that even the slightest 
communication would take a great deal of time and effort, I suggest that we 
would maintain a similar perspective and attitude that the aliens have done 
with us.   The GB case sets a new precedence in UFO contact in that for the 
first time they have staged apparent photographic opportunities perhaps in a 
first step of a new Alien Glasnost Policy, perhaps even in conjunction with 
our own and other foreign government support? ga 

(5,Don) or more disinformation! 

(Ted) GA mike 

(5,Mike) Can you supply any info on the upcoming  TV special? 

(5,BoB) The only info that I have about the Oct 14 airing is from various 
consultants on the show originally they were to show film of the Holloman 
Landing but I think that was canned, not sure, but anyway the scuttle butt is 
that the show is being done in an unprofessional manner to put it mildly and I 
don't really expect too much from it.  The NBC show to be aired in December as 
the anchor to "Unsolved Mysteries" of which I am involved is about the GB case 
and does not center on Ed but all of the other witnesses and the photos and 
all of the research that is being done so far my opinion is that they are 
doing an exemplary job. Don't expect much from the OCT14 show until further 
notice. ga 

(Ted)  Mike, If you want to know more about the Oct 14 th show leave a message 
to Phil Imbrogno on the Issues message board. He is going to be on the show 
and is a member of this forum. ga 

(Ted) Any other ? ga 

(Ted) Bob I want to thank you for being our guest tonight. You faced some 
pretty tough questions. Thanks again and I'll try to call you soon. ga 

(5,Don) Thank you BoB, and take care. 

(5,Mike) Keep up the good work...thanks Bob. 

(5,DBC) Many thanks Bob. 

(5,BoB) In closing, I'd like to make a few comments. Our research is 
continuing on many fronts. If anyone would like to keep in contact you can 
reach me by phone or mail I'll leave some particulars here ... 

       Telephone:   (301) 956-3570 or (301) 261-4353? 
        Address:     136 Oakwood Road 
                     Edgewater, Maryland 21037 

       Please be kind enough to send a self address stamped envl.  There will 
be available copies of all of my radio shows on audio tape including the 5 hour 
symposium on August 21st ... the work goes on ...the pay sucks !!!ga 

(Ted) Ok. Bob how do we go about getting copies of the radio tapes? ga 

(5,EdC) Bob, if you have something you'd like to upload, call me and I'll get 
it to the forum. 

(5,BoB) To get copies of the tapes you'll have to either send me a cassette or 
more or you'll have to wait until I can figure out an economical way of 
producing them, I do have dubbing equip but there is time and energy and 
postage involved about five bucks a tape probably. I'll have a list of the 
shows and guests avail in about a week some real good stuff including GB Ed in 
person, John Lear, Stan Friedman, Tim Good, and many many others, Dick Hall, 
PK, Duane Cook, Bruce, Danny Gordon - Wytheville, Budd Hopkins, Mike Shea ... 

(Ted) Ok, Let me know when there avail and I post it here. 

(5,BoB) The entire MARS Viking photo story ...
(5,BoB) Charles Berlitz ...
(5,BoB) that's enough for now ...

(Ted) Ok. Once again Bob, thanks and we'll be in touch. In the mean time think 
about joining CompuServe and becoming a regular! ga 

(5,BoB) Roger! If I can find the utility and the finances it would be most 
enjoyable ... 

(5,EdC) I'll bend his ear on that account!

(5,BoB) In the meantime, if anyone is interested in helping out on the 
research there is much to be done we are very fortunate in one regard and that 
is the radio format affords us the luxury of finding deep throats who seem to 
be willing to talk one is so scared that he uses three linked phone systems 
and a voice alterator and will not talk over the air for fear of being tracked 
he tells me that they compartmentalize the info so that they can readily track 
a leak it's a very sensitive issue, I'm sure you understand. 

(Ted) Give us a plug on your show, we're here every Sunday at 8:00 EDT

(5,BoB) I will indeed!

(5,EdC) g'nite

(5,BoB) Thanks all

(Ted) Nite! ga

(5,DBC) Night Bob and thanks again.

(5,JOSE B. RIVERA) beunas noches

12:04:12 AM EDT Monday, August 8, 1988