In the =best= neighborhoods around here, I wouldn't advise an intoxicated person to be out walking the streets at night.
To: All Msg #182, Aug-27-93 05:43AM
Subject: Re: Thought Experiment: SWI
Just some general comments regarding this thought experiment.
Some folks mentioned that A could have walked home or taken a taxi. Reading
those responses made me wonder what kinds of towns y'all live in! In the
=best= neighborhoods around here, I wouldn't advise an intoxicated person to
be out walking the streets at night. The two people in this scenario happened
to live less than a mile from each other, but what if A was farther from home
To get a taxi around here, one would have to call a cab company first, so A
would have to find a phone and -- in an unknown apartment complex -- B would
be the most likely way for A to find that phone; if B is so insistent on
persuading A and if A is too drunk/tired to keep from being persuaded by B's
relentless pushing, I wouldn't expect "getting a taxi" to be all that
reasonable an option for A. Obviously, in areas where taxis roam the streets
looking for fares, the story would be different.
To those who suggested that A was stupid for trying to sleep off the drunk in
A's car, well, I don't know about other areas, but that's actually what our
local PD =recommends= intoxicated persons do: crawl into one's parked car (the
presumption is that the car is still in the parking lot of the bar where one's
intoxication took place), lock the doors, keep the keys out of the ignition,
and hunker down into the back seat to sleep it off. We're harsh on drunk
=driving= but don't care so much about drunks who aren't near the steering
wheels of their vehicles, especially when the car isn't running and even more
especially when the keys aren't even in the ignition.
Obviously, all of these comments reflect on the area local to me. I don't
drink much alcohol myself, and if I'm out in public I practically never have
more than one mixed drink with dinner, so I don't have any kind of personal
repertoire of alternatives to offer people who do drink in public.
Regrettably, I didn't get to see any of the responses which spoke to the
stupidity of the parents who churned out people like A and B. Maybe this was
an isolated evening of crass stupidity on A's part, maybe this was an isolated
evening of crass lack of self-esteem on B's part, or maybe neither of them
learned how to be responsible, caring adults by their parents. We don't have
to argue whether or not the event was rape to agree that the incident was an
unfortunate one, and the worst part about it is that it COULD have been
prevented. It wasn't prevented by their parents, and now both A =and= B not
only get to suffer it directly but they get to suffer derision from us because
of it. If A and B had been older, I wouldn't be so worried about their
parents' part in this evening, but part of the scenario WAS that they were
both young and inexperienced in the ways of the world. I think it's quite
telling that the vast majority of problems involving alcohol are seen in young
people: it tells me that our parents don't do much to prepare us, as a group,
and it tells me that most of us who live through our early mistakes at least
manage to learn from them... which in turn suggests that maybe this is one
area where our parents (and other adult influences) =could= have taught us
before we made those mistakes.
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